- EDITOR'S NOTE 01/26/23: I AM NOT CONVINCED THAT THIS JAMES COLLIER IS CONNECTED TO THE EAST TN COLYAR/COLYER/COLIAR FAMILY THAT SETTLED IN PULASKI AND ROCKCASTLE COUNTY KY. CONFLICTING INFO. THEREFORE, NOT CONVINCED STEPHEN COLYER THE PREACHER AT FLAT LICK BAPTIST CHURCH IN PULASKI COUNTY IS HIS SON. IN REGARDS TO EAST TN COLYER FAMILY THAT SETTLED IN PULASKI/ROCKCASTLE COUNTIES, THERE IS AMPLE EVIDENCE CONNECTING JOHN COLYER 1744, WILLIAM COLYAR 1754, CHARLES COLYER 1757, INCLUDING ON ORIGINAL PAPERS THEY ALL WROTE THEIR NAME AS COLYAR....."YAR" NOT "YER". FURTHER, THE PREACHERS RICHARD COLYER AND STEPHEN COLYER DID AFFIDAVITS FOR JOHN COLYER 1744 AND CHARLES COLYER 1757 PENSION APPS. FURTHER, THIS JAMES'S WILL WAS WITNESSED BY A JOHN COLLIER SR. AND JOHN COLLIER JR OF MADISON COUNTY. JOHN COLLIER SR. SHOWS UP ON THE 1810 CENSUS OF MADISON COUNTY KY BUT JOHN COLYAR BORN 1744, WHO WAS A JOHN COLYAR SR. SHOWS UP WITH HIS JR. ON THE ROCKCASTLE COUNTY KY 1810 CENSUS. THEREFORE DIFFERENT. UNLIKELY RELATED.
Known Family as of Feb 26, 2005
He may have been the father of Rev. Stephen Collier and Rev. Richard Collier,, ministers in the Baptist Church, who were intimate friends and close relatives of Mrs. Hart's (author of Richard Calloway Family, Kansas City Library) family. She was never able to establish for sure if Stephen and Richard were James' sons and therefore cousins of her grandfather, John Colyer, Jr. but they often visited their family.
from Mrs. Jean Colyer Grumbling site:
Came to Madison Co. Ky. before 1792. He is listed in that year as a citizen of Madison Co. Two years later in May and June of 1794 he was sent to the frontiers of Lincoln Co. to guard against Indians and for two months of service he was paid a sum slightly more than $10 as compensation. the nuncupative will of James was proved, December 22, 1805 in Madison Co., Ky. the will was committed to writing by James Colyer, Jr. and showed money deposited for the benefit of his children. He may have been the father of Rev. Stephen Collier and Rev. Richard Collier,, ministers in the Baptist Church, who were intimate friends and close relatives of Mrs. Hart's (author of Richard Calloway Family, Kansas City Library) family. She was never able to establish for sure in Stephen and Richard were James' sons and therefore cousins of he grandfather, John Colyer, Jr. but they often visited their family.
- Richard Colyer the preacher.....is he son of Charles Colyer Sr ? rather than James ?
- Evidence of a James Collier in Henry County VA:
1781 Mar 29:: Surveyed for Samuel Johnston by transfer 265 acres of land on the branches of Leatherwood Creek of Bounded as follows ( towit) Beginning at Hamilton's corner chestnut tree in the Melton's line thence with Hamilton's line S66E100N to a white oak in Lomax, Geo. line thence with that line N36E28N to a white oak N20E334N crosing a branch to Poinders on a branch thence up the same as it meanders to a white oak corner in his own old line thence with it N50W130N to a white oak on Lomax's line thence with that line South166N crossing a branch to a red oak West86N to Poinders in Melton's line thence with that line S4E188 N to Poinders S55W45N to the first station. NOTE Surveyed by John Dickerson ::Henry County Deed and Survey book
1781 April 18: John Johnson from Elexicaus Music of Henry Co and John Johnson of Cumberland Co. 2,000: 97 acres land on Sandy Creek: Col Wynnes, James Collier: Wit. R. Williams, John Cox, John Dickenson, Henry Morgan. DB 6 page 93
1999 notes of Glenda Barnes to LDS record of a James Colyer in Madison County KY reported this James Colyer to be son of another John Collier born 1736.
One problem with record, is no James Jr. that was reported as executor of estate as reported on curtisamerica.com.
other notes found in LDS record of a James Colyer in Madison County KY 1800
"John Collier, who married Mildred Vaughn, was a one-legged miller, and operated a mill on the Kentucky River in Madison County, Kentucky 10 Nov 1795. According to the W. H. Miller records reproduced in the Biggerstaff Family Book, from the Kansas City Public Library. John and Mildred Collier sold to Samuel and Martha Lyttle Biggerstaff 50 acres of land on the Kentucky River. The Biggerstaff's later sold this 50 acres of land to Green Clay of the Cassius M. and Henry Clay Families, and its location is well known today. All of the land deeds made by John Collier of Madison County, Kentucky are signed by his wife Mildred. In 1804 John was bitten by a rabid dog which caused the amputation of his leg. His son James was bitten at the same time and died from the rabies.
WILL OF John Collier, from Will Book C. page 143. Madison County, Kentucky
In the name of God Amen: I, John Collier, of the County of Madison and Commonwealth of Kentucky being of sound mind and perfect memory do constitute and make this my last will and testament revoking all others, first of all I commit my body to the Earth and my Soul to God who gave it. 2ndly It is my will that all my just debts to be punctually paid and faithfully discharged. 3rdly I give and bequeath to my dearly beloved wife Mildred the free choice and exclusive privilege of one Bed and furniture thereto belonging to be disposed of at her discretion, and also she is to possess and enjoy one equal third of all my property heredetaments and appurtenances of all debts due and demands. The bed before mentioned excepted during her natural life and after her death to be disposed of as hereafter mentioned. 4thly as for the heirs of my son James Collier, Betsy Hopper, Rebeckah Shurly I have heretofore given them property to the amount of their share, that they shall only receive the sum of one dollar, each to be paid by my executors here after named when called upon, and as for my daughter Patsy Todd, wife of John Todd, I having given her Patsy, her share do now only give her one dollar to be paid by my executors when called upon and as for the balance of my Estate it is to be equally divided between my Son John Collier and my Daughter Lucy Henderson, after Joseph Henderson the said Lucy's husband shall receive fifty dollars it being the property to the amount of fifty two and a half dollars which is to be considered as so much of his part paid him and accounted for in his sister Lucy aforesaid I also nominate and appoint my Dearly beloved wife Mildred my Executrix and Joseph Henderson, my Son in law Executors of this my last will and testament. Given under my hand and seal this 20th day of February 1820/s/ John Collier.
Signed in the presence of John Crooke, Ann Crooke, Major Johnson, Kentucky Madison County.
I David Irvine Clerk of the Court for the County aforesaid do hereby Certify that at a County Court held for Madison County on Monday the 2nd day of April 1821 This instrument of writing was produced in open court and proven to be the last Will and Testament of John Collier, Dec'd by the oath of John Crooke and Major Johnson, both subscribing witnesses thereto and ordered to be Recorded and the same has been done accordingly.
Attest David Irvine C.M.DC.C. created by Lucille Tilton"
"In addition to the Alexander and John Collier that settled on Sugar Creek, there is another Collier who along with a man by the name of Banjamin Netherland, received 1,355 acres on Eagle Cr. in 1785, county listed as Fayette. This land was transferred to John Collier, John May and Joseph Jones in 1786, book 2 page 438-439 numbers given. It also seems that Benjamin Netherland and Levi Todd jointly owned 2,000 acres on Kentucky R. and Hickman that was sold to John May and Joseph Jones.
According to some depositions taken on the death of Capt James Estill, who was killed in the spring of 1782. John Collier testified (deposition taken before James Turley and William O'Rear, at the place where Captain James Estill was killed, on a branch of Hingstons Creek on Sept 6, 1803) Question "Did you not live at the time of Captain Estill's was killed in a popular part of this country? Answer I did, I lived on the forks of Dick's river and the neighbors lived on Hingston's creek. "Do you believe that Estill's battle ground was a place of as great notoriety then as the Mud Lick is now? answer: Not to me for I know nothing of Mudlick then. (Evidently Hingston Creek may also be known as Small Mountain Creek)
1787, Nov 19 - Petition of Thomas Welch that he has been very considerable expense in building boats and setting himself at the Ky River on a public road from Madison Co Court House to Fayette Co where a public ferry will be of service to the public. He prays a ferry may be established across the Ky at the mouth of Jacks Creek. Signed Squire Boone, James Martin, Jno Miller, John Collier, William Turpin, John Pitman"
Will Book Madison County, Kentucky
At a court held for Madison County on Monday the 4th day of January 1805
The Nuncupative will of James Collier committed to writing the 22nd December
1804 by John Collier Senior & Junior first John Collier Junior says that on the
10th day of November 1804 James Collier Deceased told him that if he died he
wanted his present crop of corn to be for the support of his family and if there
was any surplus to be applied to the purpose of schooling his Children and that
all his Bonded Debts and one hundred Dollars he had deposited in the hands of
Joseph Elison to be kept at Interest and given to his Children when they became
of age the tract of land he lived on if it was not lost at law to be equally
divided amongst his three sons. Also that his wife should sell a horse and
apply the price in building her a House as soon as she thinks it safe on account
of the title of land to do so & that all open accounts and the stock of every
kind should be for the support of his wife and Children as long as she remains a
Widow except one filly that he wished should be traded for a gentle beast to
work John Collier senior saw him the Decedent on the 14th day of the same month
and Received the same instructions with a request that he John Collier senior &
Joseph Ellison should administer & he further directed him to have a certain
Horse sold that his Debts should be paid out of his price & the balance applied
as his administrators might think best for the use of his family.
At a Court held for Madison County on Monday the 7th day of January 1815
This Nuncupative Will was found to be last Will of James Collier Deceased by the
oath of John Collier Senior and Junior and ordered to be Recorded.
Attest William Irvine, Clerk
JAMES COLLIER, LAND
This Indenture made this sixth day of March 1797 between Green Clay of Madison
County and State of Kentucky of the one Part & James Collier of the same County
and State aforesaid of the other part Witnesseth that the said Green Clay for
and in consideration of the sum of one Hundred Pounds current money to him in
hand paid the receipt whereof he doth hereby acknowledge hath granted Bargained
and sold unto the said James Collier his Heirs and Assigns forever a Certain
Tract or parcel of Land containing one hundred and fifty acres lying and being
in the County aforesaid on Muddy Creek Bounded as follows (to Wit) Beginning at
a Black Walnut & Hiccory on Ellises line where it crosses Hays line thence with
Ellises line S40E 180 poles to a White oak tree thence new line S20W128 poles to
a white oak Dogwood & Hiccory thence N56 (*degree mark here) W160 poles to a
Sugar tree on a branch on Hayes line thence with Hays line N20(*degree mark) 178
poles to the Beginning and the said Green Clay for himself and his Heirs
executors and Administrators do Warrant and forever defend the said Tract or
Parcel of Land with its appurtenances to the said James Collier his Heirs and
Assigns against all and every Person or Persons whatever in Testimony whereof I
have hereunto set my hand and seal the day and year above Written
Green Clay (SS)
At a Court of quarter session held for Madison County on Tuesday the 4th (could
be 11th) of April 1797
this Indenture was acknowledged by Green Clay to be his Act and Deed and ordered
to be recorded
Teste William Irvine C? (not sure if this is clerk)
**Other sources say James Collier died as a result of being bitten by a rabid
dog. Perhaps his leg was amputated in an attempt to keep the poison from
****note: As we see from the Will of James, he wasn't as poor as Luther T.
Collier stated [see Notes under John Collier name]. He did have property, and
the horse he mentions. However there was a problem with property at that time
because of Daniel Boone's surveys which he failed to record. This made
ownership of the land questionable. It was a usual practice for young boys to
be 'bound out' at a certain age. This was the only avenue open to them to learn
a trade. Only the very rich could send their sons to institutions of higher
learning, and only that when they lived in certain areas. These schools weren't
available to the people living on the edge of the frontier.****